Which LSD is best ?

[Civic TSI]

Thanks guys for all the info. I've just added myself to the Quaife group. And btw, how safe is it to buy there ? Does anyone have any info on the guy with the nickname Camshaft ?

Thanks again.

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To 24 PSI, and beyond !
HS Le Club

[sjoback]

Uh, I wouldn't over-generalize and say the quaife is the best, but if the group buy price is for real, it is a good deal.

[Holden]

Blotter, w/Beavis and Buttheag logo.

BTW, that Quaife group buy is breaking my heart! I hope something like that happens in a few years when I'm ready for one. At least getting one would throw me out of Street Modified, so that helps with the pain.

JFC! $837 for a Quaife LSD. Great deal!



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Greg Holden
96 GSR, JSRC, Walbro regular pressure pump, AEM cai,
RSR headers, Greddy PE, Brembo Cross-Drill rotors,
DC Sports Rear Strut Tower Brace (junk!), Yoko AVSi

Greg Holden's JRSC Install Site

[vactor]

well, if we can get a few more, the price might drop even further than the 40% off it is now... the Kaaz has a 2 year warranty, needs 2 $50 bottles of fluid (one for break in, one for use), needs to be rebuilt once every 2 years... the quaife uses your normal gear lube, and has a no questions asked full lifetime warranty. nuff said?

becuase of the torsen type that the quaife is, i would think that it is much better for FWD cars. whereas the kaaz may be better for RWD cars, since the torque sensing ability is not quite as crucial when the wheels only have to push the car and not turn it as well...

[vtec4gs]

The KAAZ, Cusco, Mugen, Spoon, JUN, ATS, etc. are all clutch type and withstand much abuse.

The Quaiffe is gear type similar to the Type R, S2K, NSX, etc.


Greg-

[sjoback]

Who says they need to be rebuilt every two years? Do the friction plates have an expiration date? I thought they only need to be rebuilt that often if the car is a track racer. Greg, do you know anyone who has broken a quaife or a kaaz? I thought I heard someone broke a quaife before? was I dreaming?

[JRCivic]

Yes, I believe you are dreaming... according to Quaife, they are still waiting for their FIRST return due to failure.
As for comparing the clutch-type to the Gear/Torsen type: each has merit in certain aspects.

Clutch type: PRO - smoother transitions between full lock and slip to one side or the other. This translates into less steering wheel jitter and far less felt torque steer. CON - the clutch packs do wear out. For most street cars, this will take some time, however, if the car sees 1/4 mile or SCCA track time regularly, be prepared to service it at least every other year. I know track guys that rebuild their KAAZ units TWICE per year. (This translates into big $$$ costs in parts and labor)

GEAR/TORSEN TYPE: PRO - maintainence free, it never needs anything. It can be just as cheap as a KAAZ, Cusco, etc. (OE type "R" is less than $900.00 from the dealer) and in the case of the Quaife, it is covered by a lifetime warranty. If you can break it, they will replace it.
CON - Quaife is expensive... also makes the car wander due to large amounts of alternating torque steer.

So, compare the two types... and based on the facts, make your decision accordingly.



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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph

[vactor]

thanks for the info JR. this is what we needed, a list of the way the different units operate in regular and racing conditions. i have heard pretty much the same things you have, but the quaife will be my first real long term experience with an LSD.

[SteveW]

Well I bought one of the Kaaz thru Dan Ponze (goes by god on most boards). It wil be sitting in my living room tomorrow night when i pick it up until I get some money for a clutch and install. But once it is in I will give a full report on how it feels and how it acts on auto-x and possibly drag.

I agree that as soon as you pay for one part, another drops its price to be equal with what you just bought. Oh well, the Kaaz should be just as good as the others for what I do.

Steve
97 SC GSR

[sjoback]

Dang, finally you chime in Greg. I knew it was you that had experience with the Quaife, I just didnt want to say because I wasn't totally sure. Thanks for the info. Makes me feel better about my KAAZ anyway